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Just to let you all know, i have now had me water-cooling delivered along with UV dye and UV cathode ray-tubes and i will need to work on my PC at some point in order to install it.
This means cutting a number of holes in my case, some re-wiring, moving of internal devices (as well as REmoving some) and generally having a go at being an interior designer!
Unfortunately, this will mean some down-time for me since alot of it (mainly the drilling and cutting of the case) will involve taking out the mother-board so as not to get any metal filings on it.
Needless to say, this wont be a small task and so therefore i don't know how long this will take while this work gets carried out.
I will most likely get one of my other PC's hooked up to the internet for the mean time for menial tasks like e-mails and internet access, but i doubt i will be installing CS to play on it given that i probably wont be playing in any matches anyway so that i can work on my PC and get things up and running as quickly as possible.
I'll let you all know exactly when i plan to start this, but most likely i will be starting next weekend.
I shall use this particular thread to give you all progress in to my little project and also supply pictures, thoughts and ideas as well as problems and brick walls that i run in to so that anyone else who fancys doing the same thing can learn from my mistakes (and also give ideas to me along the way!).
If anyone is interested as to why i am doing this, it is for a number of reasons:
First and most important, my VPU keeps overheating when i play any games recently (including CS) and this water-cooling will prevent that. (I have a Radeon 9800pro and have found out on various forums that this is a very common problem with the higher-end ATi Graphics cards).
Secondly, my computer is VERY noisy and i will be getting rid of alot of noisy fans by doing this.
Thirdly, i am going to take this opportunatey to over-clock my processor and i have heard that it is very easy to overclock a 3.06GHz processor to at least 3.5GHz and some people have reached a stable 4GHz with water-cooling.
Fourthly... It looks the mutts nuts! 
More to come...
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gl and hf 
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class... 
Ill have to have a wee peek this weekend when i come round...
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awesome idea , shame your taste in films suxors tho  glhf m8
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if you want to do it well, including all the leak testing etc ur probably looking at a couple of days if u get it right first time and have no leaks etc. But sounds cool. I'd like to come up and see it sometime when its done
GL, HF and take lotsa piccies!
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Conceptualisation:
The largest and therefore the most important piece to place first will be the fan and the radiator. Unfortunately, there is only one practical place to put them and this is at ‘B’.
Every other place does not have enough room, or there is no air hole for the exhaust heat of the radiator fan.
‘D’ is not an option since the radiator would be right next to all of the CPU, the chipset and the graphics card, making the whole water-cooling process a bit pointless.
There are a few problems placing it at the top though that has to be over-come. One is that the power supply air intake is slightly covered at ‘C’, but fortunately only half-so. I shall make sure that there is about 5mm gap so that the entire intake isn’t completely covered on the lower half.
Another problem is that the radiator will be very close to the Molex power connector of the drives. This only means that it will make it difficult to do maintenance on them, but as long as I make the fan and radiator easy to unscrew, and the tubes leading to them slack enough, I should be able to take them out and place them to the side should I need to access the back of the drives in the future.
The only major problem of all this is that the air hole in the top of the case ‘A’ is no way near big enough as well as having no screw holes for the 120mm fan to attach to. This means that I will have to severely cut in to the case in order to make sure that there is plenty of room for the fan to exhaust the radiators’ heat. I will mark out several holes in line with the arrow indicated, and 5mm holes for the fan screw fittings. Before this happens, I will need to take ALL the internal components out to make sure that no metal filings get on to the circuitry.
The other devices needing installing are the pump and the reservoir; these will have to sit near ‘H’.
The water cooler uses a floppy disk power cable in order to turn on and off with the power of the computer power button, and since my PSU only comes with one of these connectors, I will have to remove the floppy disc drive ‘F’. Whilst I am doing that, I might as well use the space above the two HDDs and use mounting brackets to fit them into the 5.25” bays above ‘E’.
This will leave plenty of space at ‘H’ and ‘G’ for the pump and reservoir.
‘G’ will probably be removed since without the floppy drive and the two hard discs, that metal cage will probably not be of any use unless i can incorporate it somehow.
BTW...
This is my current solution to cool down the VPU!!!
Edited by Harv on 24 July 2006 at 3:29pm
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nice fan setup lol.
1, you could still use D if you wanted to? If you watercool both your CPU and GPU then the heat is taken away to the radiator and not into the case, so you would get just as gd cooling at D as anywhere.
2, altho i aplaud your attempts as watercooling i think there could have been 2/3 possble less expensive things you could have tried first to cool the GPU. 1 those IDE cables are a rats nest, they will be constricting your your air flow alot, maybe using rounded cables and routing them to you can get clean air flow. Even so i still suggest you take this step so you get good cooling on your radiator. 2, why didnt you look at buying a new air cooler? i know PCWorld of all places were doing the high end 'artic coolers' for radeons for only £10. 3 applying a better thermal compound to conduct the heat.
3, if you do put the radiator at B the other problem is that you will be severly restricting airflow being sucked thro the PSU so u could be putting alot of strain on your PSU, making more noise than it usually does and providing unstable voltages which are crucial to overclocking.
4 - again with the cable routing - see if you can get some 5mm spiral wrap and use it on those molex cables to tidy those up and allow better cooling. added with the better cooling it will also give you more room for your water tubes.
finally i have a metal hole cutter for an electric drill exactly the right size to cut blow holes for 80mm fans. this will allow you to cut out the factory made imprints which restrict alot of airflow and you can replace them with better looking and better performing grills that dont restrict the airflow so much, again allowing better cooling... im not using it at the moment, i'm happy to loan it to you.
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Thx.
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Why not buy a new hugor case , they aint that expencive then you can put anything anywere u like , simple jobs a good un etc , if a jobs worth doing , ask womble hes the ideas man .
Edited by Sirwomble on 30 January 2004 at 9:40am
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erm, but his case is already big enuff, he's just gotta organise his case a lil better to fit all the watercooling kit in. if he stuck with air cooling his case would be fine.
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erm, but if he bought a even bigger 1 he wouldnt have to mess about moving stuff , and it would be shinny n new .
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Ive seen his case, its no small bugga. its bigger than my thing and we only just had room for it in my car at i17 (after camping gear monitors etc etc). If he was to get a bigger case he'd have to get a full tower, the cheapest one of those i've seen is £50, to get a decent one that also looks good (window etc) your looking at more like £100. after you've just splashed out on watercooling i can guess harv doesnt want to spend more [:toungue:] theres also space to consider, altho harv's place is nice and his setup owns, a full tower may be a bit to big. Finally you simply get more satisfaction modding it yourself rather than buying a cheap £20 case or a totally pre-modded one, when u do it then its unique, looks how you want it, works how you want it, and you have more pride in your rig.
Im with harv all the way on this one.
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why make life difficult , buy a big shiny new 1  
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Like the one im getting which is basically like this...
http://www.chieftec.com/products/dragon/da01wd.htm
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That was the same case I was looking at the other day, when I was trying to work out if I could build myself a new computer.
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/me has no opinions on anything, just felty like posting :)
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Wot a wasteril , Richie and Demon sitting in a tree ,K.I.S.S I.N.G....
Evil idea for new poll muhaaaaaa
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you cant hear me? in that case, youre a cock, youre a cock, youre a cock, cock, cock!
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Measure twice, cut once!
My first hurdle has already been reached. The fan and the radiator can only be attached together in such a way so that only the radiator and not the fan can be attached to the case.
This is actually very odd since the manual clearly states it is much more efficient and quieter to suck air over the radiator and not to blow it. Given the limited arrangement of the two, the only way I could suck hot air over the radiator and out of the case would be to have the fan and the radiator on the outside of the case!
So the first question was “Do I want the equipment inside or outside of the case?” Obviously this equipment is supposed to be inside and so this gave me no choice. This left me with two more choices… Should the fan blow the hot air from the radiator out of the case, or suck the hot air from the radiator into the case? Again, I thought the answer obvious, and this has left me with the fan blowing air through the radiator out of the case (which is a shame since I wanted to suck the air over the radiator, but unavoidable).
All this means that my first concept had to be changed (for the better in most respects).
The original design (with the fan attached to the case) allowed the radiator to just fit between the two Molex power connectors of the optical drives. Now that the fan and the radiator are swapped around, the Molex power cable of the top optical drive prevents the radiator from fitting in. This meant that I had to move both the optical drives down two places in the 4x (5 ¼”) bays.
Not only does this give me more room to work with, but it also now gives the PSU plenty of room for the air intake. An unexpected bonus was that it also gives a flat surface that is easily accessible next to the radiator. I will use this to place equipment that goes with the water cooling equipment and can be placed out of sight.
I am now ready to measure up the top of the case in order to drill the holes needed to attach the radiator to the case. First I will empty the case of its PCI cards, motherboard, optical drives, hard disc drives and all the wiring so as not to get any metal filings on the circuit boards. Then I will measure the top for the grill holes and the fan screw holes. Gotta make sure this is right before that power drill comes out!
Edited by Harv on 24 July 2006 at 3:32pm
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Wow did not think it would be any where near that much hassle for water cooling. I just happy im running a 2000xp. But I have just bought my self a nice new PSU and CPU cooler for my machine (should make it a lot less nosy). I got one of the cool coolmaster aero7, should keep the machine cool.
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