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Hi,I have moved in a new apartment and I'm sharing the internet with 3 apartments all together.
The modemrouter is on the third floor, and it has output to 3 other routers, including mine which I have in my own apartment. He runs a cable from the modemrouter to my router (through the floor)
We have 14mbit, but I only get 6mbit for some reason, is that normal?
Anyway, what im wondering about is that lately I keep dropping out from the internet for like a sec or two, and It keeps doing it for a long while. It's nothing about downloading, and I dont get it if I plugged my pc up on the 3rd floor directly. Ie: If I do ping www.vg.no -t It responds but every now and again I get requested timed out..
So, what I am wondering is if I set up my router correclty, could someone please guide me through step by step of what I should set?
Here is some info about the current addresses:
The Routermodem upstairs: 10.0.0.138
IP Pool Starting Address : 10.0.0.1
Subnetmask: 255.255.255.0
DNS: Frrom isp automatically (137.67.60.68) , (130.67.15.168)
My Router type gigabyte: 192.168.3.1
And now the uncertain thing comes. Dynamic ip address does not work for some reason..
I have put the following in the wan configuration:
WAN IP address: 192.168.1.3
WAN Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
WAN Gateway: 192.168.1.1
Manual dns: 137.67.60.68
Manual dns2:130.67.15.168
DHCP from my router starts from 192.168.3.2 - 253
Any suggestions? I use cabel, not wireless..
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Ahhh Griz so confusing youve got multiple issues here
1. Why are you trying use your router as well as the one on the 3rd floor.
In theory you could do what your trying to but youve got some weird config here that makes no sense.
Why have you configured your router to have a WAN IP of 192.168.1.3. Does the Router upstairs have 192.168.1.1 on it if it doesnt it shouldnt work.
I dont think the routers are going to deal well with both being DHCP sources thats an issue.
Whats the default gateway you get from the 3rd floor router this is What the WAN gateway would have to be and the WAN IP would have to be in the range assigned by the 3rd floor router you can use what ever you want on the inside of your router but what you set as WAN needs to be working with the 3rd floor router.
To be honest your adding a layer of complexity which isnt really needed can you not just use a switch
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Phils suggestoin of a switch would make it easier, but 2 routers should work fine in theory.
Based on what you have put above, I would recommend you use the following settings on your router:
WAN IP address: 10.0.0.50 (or take a dhcp address from the upstairs router)
WAN Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
WAN Gateway: 10.0.0.138
LAN IP Address: 192.168.3.1
LAN Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
LAN Gateway (for DHCP Clients): 192.168.3.1
Allow DHCP addresses in the range: 192.168.3.2-192.168.3.254
Manual dns: 137.67.60.68 (Or use your own)
Manual dns2:130.67.15.168 (Or use your own)
Only issue you will have major issues with is port forwarding as you would have to do it on both the upstairs router and yours. You are effectively double NATing here...
A switch would be easier!
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Im guessing DHCP is not working to the router because of the connection method your using. what have you got it setup to use for the WAN connection
Good stuff D
Edited by Cock with a soc on 09 September 2009 at 11:41am
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Right, after lots of fiddling.. I discovered something..
My router connects to another router/modem before going to 10.0.0.138
So, my connection goes now like this 192.168.3.1 -> 192.168.1.1 -> 10.0.0.138
That is why when I tried to set 10.0.0.138 as gateway, it did not work.
I am on another router, a Belkin one, and I set it up as D said, just replacing it with the 192.168.1.1
BUT, I still get these connection drops, which is very very annoying..
Any other ideas, so far? Yes, I know a switch would be ideal, but I dont have one at the moment.. <<;
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This is mad but ok
So you reckon everything is now configured correctly on you router how often does it drop how long for?
Is your PC/laptop set with a static IP?
What happens if you Ping continously each of the 3 routers IPs which one fails?
Does your router loose a connection when you loose the connection?
This is really mad i dont think ive ever seen triple Nat taking place.
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Right spoken to grizz who has said there are 5 Routers in the House all with DHCP enabled.
Demon if all these routers are set to be using DHCP is it going to cause ie are requests going to be crossing over the WAN ports and causing conflicts maybe? Im not certain on my DHCP config
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Weve ruled that out
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nope - dhcp addresses will only be offered on the LAN ports of each router.
i think we need some ping and pathpings to the router and the net tbh...
Edited by Demonboy on 10 September 2009 at 12:34am
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So I got it again, 3k ping while doing voa25 is no good..
I pinged all of them, and the router that timed out, was the one that gets the internet the 10.0.0.138
It was not like this before we had lightning storm, and it took his routermodem out, he then waited 4 days and got a new one... I suspect it might be something, but I cant find anything on the modem either.. I have full access to it (virtually)
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Funky anything in the event logs for the device.
Is it seperate router modem or different what sort of connection is it your using cable
can you get physical access to it when it stops
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I'm using cable, and there is nothing on the multimodems log. Well, since I can't ping it, I very much doubt I could connect to it, but it only happens for a second and it's back.. so it's kinda hard testing too.
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What is the Device Name Model
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Grizz have you googled that it doesnt sound esspecially good have you tried upgrading the firmware things like that
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The isp sends out a special firmware for it.. so its not much I can do..
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So if your loosing the connection to the Box its probably going to be rebooting or something random.
Does anyone use that router directly do they loose their connection?
Can you swap the router?
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Grizz - this is silly.
Like CwaS, i too have never seen triple NATing, and rarely is double NATing needed accept in extreme circumstances.
Why not just save yourself the heartache and buy yourself a couple of 100Kroner switches and do away with this setup?
With your internet going through 3 routers, packets are undoubtadly going to be dropped somewhere too and troubleshooting that will be a nightmare.
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I don't see why it shouldent work though. What to schools do, they have multiply access points dont they?
But when I have the problem, its the router upstairs, its not mine and not the second one.. and I cant switch out the second one with a switch either, as people use the wireless part.. And me having a switch down here won't help much either, since even when i'm connected straight with no router on my end I may have the problem..
Anyway, im tempted to get my own internet, so I have more control and better line. I don't like sharing :p
I must say though, I find this "interesting" searching for solutions :)
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Grizzler wrote:
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Don't get confused between access points and default gateways. Networks may have multiple access points, but rarely do they need to route more than 1 hop to get to the only default gateway. Unless you wish to create something like a DMZ, it's not really necessary to introduce more than 1 router - it adds complication that is not needed.
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| But when I have the problem, its the router upstairs, its not mine and not the second one |
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Use your router instead and only your router to access the internet and see if that works.
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and I cant switch out the second one with a switch either, as people use the wireless part..
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Disable it as the router, keep the wireless enabled and have it as a Wireless access point instead attached to the switch then.
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And me having a switch down here won't help much either, since even when i'm connected straight with no router on my end I may have the problem..
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This doesnt make sense to me i'm afraid, but there is no getting away from the fact that by over-complicating the network, you are over-complicating the problem.
By making a more simple network, you will make solving the problem more simple.
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| Anyway, im tempted to get my own internet, so I have more control and better line. I don't like sharing :p |
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Seems strange to throw money at an entirely new internet connection when spending hardly any money at all will inevitably fix the problem, but if you don't want to share - then that is what you must do. 2 internet connections in the house will end up meaning that you DO need 2 routers.
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